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you will probably be ban by Google.
pagerank 4 very easy
pagerank 5 easy
pagerank 6 gotta work
pagerank 7 Hard
Pagerank 8,9 : i swear i don't know :D
So, all links being equal (which they are not)
PR9 (apple.com) 3.3 million backlinks
PR8 1.8 million backlinks
PR6 (this site) 83,000 backlinks
It is an exponential scale. It's not really a goal obtainable by any sort of scam, especially not that of building off of 40 brand spanking new domains.
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hmmm would have expected to have seen more about this-guess I need to catchup on my feeds!
Welcome to the CI team.
No doubt that some of your ideas sound logical and valid. However, i must tell you that i am a bit skeptical about your entire concept.
First to the raw facts:
1. Google PageRank wasn't updated since 4.5 months, and thus the 3 months cycle between updates is not valid.
2. Google seem to be thinking on an update to their PageRank mechanism which will value content and internal linking more than external linking. If the PR algo will change, the method you proposed is invalid.
Now let's focus on the business:
What's the underlying business model for this venture? Do you want to grow all those web sites PR for selling links exclusively (note that you might get banned by G, and then it will be tough to sustain the achieved PR)? Do you want to grow the PR and then sell the domain (not a bad idea)? In any case, I don't believe that the method you propose will help you achieve sustainable traffic and revenue.
To wrap it up, i would recommend our readers to use some of the methods you proposed in order to grow traffic. However i wouldn't adopt your entire startegy, as it won't yield sustainable (and defensible) revenue.
My 0,02. In any case, interesting article.
Gili
Many of these tips are really good and I am sure all of them will give you PR juice (if Google will not ban you).
I tried to buy some domains, the name is really cheap, but when it comes to host some pages the cost rise a lot. How do you do it? Do you host the page in Godaddy as well or somewhere else? Please help.
At the end I love the article and I am going to apply most of them.
Thanks
Francesco
I mean ...if you book a new domain and link back to it from 2-3 PR 7 domains ...would it really give you a high PR ranking.
But I am sure that everybody dream of such a high PR and you have put in a process for them to execute their dreams :)
It was assuming natural links of normal link quality. I certainly wasn't posting it as a minimum level. Still 10k links is much different than the 40 (or even 1-2 links this article proposes)
40 domains is also a sizable investment to spend on such a strategy. The pyramid level style promotion has its problems as well. PR diminishes with each passing of the juice, so linking from 40 to 3 to 2 to 1 leaves you with much less juice than just doing 40 to 1. Post seems to assume that you can magically create some google power out of thin air. Joey, just how do you explain the rationale for this creation of something out of nothing?
This technique worked faster back in 2003 to 2006 when I first implemented them for a bunch of pure-info sites.
The problem is, Google modified its algorithms in late 2006, that some of my PR6 sites dropped to PR5. The 40+ sites themselves dropped from 3-4 to 2-3.
Now the other dozen sites I maintain NOT mooching off from the feeders swing from PR4-PR5 despite having 1000+ backlinks . Credo: It IS getting harder to maintain PR.
Good news is that I noticed PR isn't strongly correlated to SERPs. My sites still rank in the top ten for critical keywords despite the drop in PR.
Yea, pagerank and SERP ranking... don't correlate very well. Google has swing back the other way (first it was all based on content, then they swung to off page factors, now it is back heavily weighted on content again). Pagerank still is part of the equation, but it is not everything.
The one thing that pagerank seems to be most important for is search engine page saturation. Saying you had unlimited amounts of pages on your site. With no pagerank, google will hit those pages, but not place them in their index. They end up in the sandbox or supplimental hell, or wherever. As you gain backlinks, you tend to gain indexed pages, but not always ranking for them.
So, if you do have a lot of pages, I would say PR does matter. Google won't waste their time on a site with 5000000 pages but nobody linking to any of them. Of course, if you have such a site, deep linking certain entry points may replace the need of 40 domains as suggested above. It is called pagerank and not siterank for a reason.
While this is all speculation on my part, I have monitored around 100 domains over the past year and it seems to hold pretty well. I launched a couple test sites (about 20) to test various SERP/PR/Traffic/Backlink gaining methods, everything from whitehat to blackhat to bluehat (lol), so I guess we (or at least I) will soon find out if any of them gain PR. I know that many of them are gettnig hammered continuously by google, usually 6k pages per day, and they just keep coming back for more week after week, and after a little while the ratio of google to real people started becoming more even, and finally saturation of pages correlates nicely with backlinks, but whether that is mere coincidence is yet to be seen. The point of that rant is that methods do still work, but the poorest performing methods are those evangelized about a year ago, methods like this. Google is smart. Give them some credit.
First google thought 'The first commandment shall be: if a page hath good content, it shall recieve the Google Juice'. And all was good. Until one day people learned the art of keyword stuffing and Google was not amused. Google thought and thought and came across the idea of link popularity would surely be a more valuable method for determining what was relevant. And it was so. For awhile the new first commandment worked better than the original. Through time people also began to be able to exploit this (though not as well) and Google furrowed its mighty brow and declared 'The original first commandment still holds. And after years of researching we have finally been able to better understand the content. Our all seeing Eye of Matt Cutts shall cut down the spammers, and only well formed content shall float to the top' And it was so.
So, now that they have more advanced methods of really *understanding* content, reading JS files, getting information out of flash files, submitting to forms, finding hidden text, seeing nofollows used to cut down the garbage for them, whatever, google has gone back to the original methodology of 'content is king' It's like 70%/30% onpage/offpage factors
But, there are still ways to work around/with the system. ;) Just don't expect it to be as easy as the method described here. It's probably good for a PR5 (maybe) ranking depending on how heavily you promote those 40 domains... maybe. More than likely, you will drop $350 on 40 domains, spend 100s of hours, and end up with a crappy PR4 that doesn't rank for any keyword. ;)
"Going to have to give this a try — seems to easy just for 40 domains, some time, and a reseller webhosting account. Hmmm…."
Well, google can .. you know.. read IP addresses. If it sees that 90% of your site's popularity is based on links from *one* IP address... gee, what do you think the result would be?
My real hope for google is that they continue this mindless PR hunt by continuing to update their toolbar, but in reality just completely ignore the measurement. Scammers using cheesy methods will see that their 'plan' works and they have PR7 or whatever, but in google's eyes, they have absolutely nothing.
I'm still not sure this even counts as true white hat. Building up essentially Spam pages (throwaway domains), etc is never a good way to start any white hat project :)
I have a client who just wants me to do this and i will be doing this only and would definitely put up the results here after every PR update
Cheers
Abhishek
How in the hell do you get 2-3000 USD?
@abhishek PR7 just isn't going to happen. Lets look at this again, shall we?
step 2: the link will be off that front page in a matter of hours and will end up on a PR0 page in a day, so wont raise anything
step 3: Your crappy spammy sites have 0 chance of being listed on DMOZ. It's a manually approved system with someoen reviewing your site. They pride themselves on being a quality directory so all yoru links will be denied
step 4: This will work
Step 5: all those blogs are nofollow, so NO pagerank passed.
So, all your link building is around dofollow comments.. if 50 people comment on an article, very little google love is passed to you. Most individual blog entries have very low pagerank.
So, you are going to build up to PR4 from comment spam alone? On 40 domains? Manually? Say it takes 20-30 comments for this to happen.. per domain. 1200 comments later... and 450 dollars.. and 6 monthes of your time wasted..
yuck. some good points in article, but as of right now, you need to add your own creative additions for it to work
Lol. So, add to that 4 hours or so per site (if you do it whitehat and manually post all comments), thats a month's wages right there.
Lets be conservative and say $20USD/hr 10 quid whatever, theres your extra $3200 for a total for $3850.
Your estimates are the same as mine :) Good to see we both agree, and I am not just crazy
I do not think 40 PR3 sites will get you a PR5, as one of my earlier sites had over 5000 PR2 backlinks, and it only turned into a PR3. Although Google is sometimes random, as an image site that I neglected (and later sold) randomly turned into a PR4.
I think LUCK has a lot to do with it. =)
Relmaxtop required a code on your site with links back to them. Is this going to hurt the web site more than help it?
Thank you