you know what this email is great and in so many ways. it is brave, rebellious,intellectual and refreshing in times where the convention is to be cold and businesslike even when in love. and all the people who scorn or mock it are stunted slaves of social norms who ve forgotten how to think or feel independently. some of the replies here are so pathetic one hopes its just school boys rather than adults.
Gordon Joly
· 3 years ago
Hi
Can I have look at the original email, with headers?
Randall
· 3 years ago
Wow. Well, maybe Kate Winsall and her "friends" don't want to date this guy,but for sure no one will ever ask old Kate out on a date again. What will she and her girlfriend cronies do next, tar and feather one of their boyfriends? God, they are just below decency. I suppose one could never entrust anything intimate or confidential with someone who would broadcast it to other individuals, let alone the entire world. What is wrong with these blackhearted people?
Paul
· 3 years ago
Can I have a copy of the original e-mail with headers?
Thanks
Paul
NOSHNA
· 3 years ago
I dont feel any thing wrong with daring to voice up the words from bottom of your heart. In the contrary,I respect a person who did that. If the girl doesnt want to see him again, just reply a simple email saying so.
Love comes from sincerity and trust. I believe the girl is heartless and doesnt respect or care for other. I feel she is laughing on these sincere words. I like the guy and hope all of you understand him. Give him an encouragement to move on.
Good luck Joe!!
Julie
· 3 years ago
People, I think you fail to realize that this guy is probably ugly! Eww.
Julie
Tim
· 3 years ago
I would also like a copy of the original if that's possible. Peace! T
Helena
· 3 years ago
Hi, Could I please have a copy of this wonderful e-mail? Thanks, Helena
Salle
· 3 years ago
Haha fun reading ;D . Could you give me a copy of the original mail? Thx Salle
kirren
· 3 years ago
could i have a copy of the original pls?
Will
· 3 years ago
A wee bit too romantic, open-hearted and honest for a first e-mail, but ... Who's going to get loads of date offers now? Kate? Oh, I don't think so. She and her clique of girlfriends are every decent man's nightmare. Joe, however, is already getting proposals from women who appreciate a man who dares to reveal his innermost thoughts. All women love that; it's just that they know they can have these men any time they want, and so instead go for the complete asshole bad boy who without exception will treat them like shit. After all that fun is over, all they want is a kind and caring husband, but by then they are all taken by kind a caring women. Good Luck Joe, and good luck to you too, Kate, because you're really going to need it.
DSW1705
· 3 years ago
Nice to see my ex whoring herself around parties again giving blokes the wrong idea. At least this time her boyfriend might find out about it before she sleeps with every bloke in town. Joe you sound like a good bloke, I'd say you had a lucky escape.
Leviathan
· 3 years ago
Well well, the cynics pop up and rear their ugly heads. We are talking about a fellow human being that tried to express something... granted not in the best way. People like you, who just puke out your guts and hate should really start thinking things through, your advocating a mentality that I am more then certain you would not want to be faced with yourselfes.
But life is a balance, what you throw out will sooner or later come back to you.
Also, contributing by posting his phone number, email etc is bad... you are helping out destroying a man that probably did not have any bad intentions. One can only hope that the same thing would happen to all of you...
MCT1970
· 3 years ago
Having been humiliated before a global audience for going about things in basically the right way (albeit somewhat excessively, some might argue, bearing in mind how long he'd known her), maybe Joe will feel he'd have had more success if he'd tried the Del Trotter method of wooing, i.e. a slap on the arse and "Fancy a curry luv?"
But having seen what kind of person he's dealing with, I hope Joe's feelings are of relief, rather than rejection.
Good luck mate. And don't go changing!
SooSick
· 3 years ago
OK! It might be a little creepy. I mean he met her once, and as he said himself, he was quite drunk. But all that bitch had to do was mail him and say NO! Instead she makes a laugh of him in front of the whole world. It makes you wonder, what if he is just a little bit psychotic?!? Maybe it's time for her to stop walking the streets alone at night. But on the other hand, where would she get her money then :). Good luck on getting a normal guy to like you now BIATCH!!
Erik
· 3 years ago
Seems to me this guy realy gathered all his strength and tried to describe what he felt. We shouldnt feel sorry for him, instead we should admire him.
RooBot
· 3 years ago
Aye, leave the poor lad be.
Anna
· 3 years ago
I just found an article about this guy in a Swedish newspaper and had to check it out. If you could send me the original I'd be extremely grateful.
/Anna
Mattias
· 3 years ago
Can I have a copy of the original e-mail with headers?
Thanx
Mattias
eyewashere
· 3 years ago
You've made Collegehumor. Congratulations. ^__^
Someone link up the articles on this guy, could be an interesting read.
Derek
· 3 years ago
Look.. This guy is sounding like a stalker, plain and simple. When guys act like this it scares women. He just met the girl and he already is planning their wedding and naming their babies. He knows nothing about her and is unable to control himself when asking her out... OVER EMAIL!
RooBot
· 3 years ago
Derek..
Maybe that's how he shows he cares.
Maybe he's shy.
Maybe he jumped at the chance.
Maybe he did it to make her smile.
At least he tried, there's nothing wrong with wanting to make another person feel good about themselves, which me thinks is all he way trying to do.
Perhaps you've never felt that way about someone?
Perhaps you have, don't knock someone else for trying to be sweet though, no matter how misguided you find it.
If he's a stalker so were all the eighteenth century writers/poets who now make up our curriculum etc, etc etc.
If there's one thing I can't stand it's people who utterly fail to see that sometimes, just sometimes people mean well, and only want to bring a smile to another persons face.
Yep.
Derek
· 3 years ago
Roobot...
Look.. the guy doesn't know her at all. If a guy is acting like that when he doesn't know her it is suspicious. A woman usually likes to know someone before they have someone say they love them. Most likely the guy fails with women because he is too anxious.
And as for the 18th century writers you speak of... It's a significantly different time period than it was then. Women were not treated as equals and were pretty much property.
I don't know about you Roobot, but i prefer to have an equal at my side and not someone who doesn't know me drooling over my nut sack. Acting like that can only lead to failure.
Kronocide
· 3 years ago
Derek said:
"Look.. This guy is sounding like a stalker, plain and simple. When guys act like this it scares women. He just met the girl and he already is planning their wedding and naming their babies."
No he isn't. He is saying that he really likes her smile, and he even says that he knows he is being a bit forward. Stalker? Get a grip. How sad is the world when sincerity and honesty gets this kind of reward? Glad to see that not everyone is joining the mock-fest.
Kronocide
· 3 years ago
Btw, publishing this guy's email address and phone no. on this site breaks so many rules of netiquette you'd think it's run by a complete "nubi."
DSW1705
· 3 years ago
Why are you lot putting the blame on this gezzer? Surely he was lead on... sounds like a nice (YES Sensitive) bloke...
RooBot
· 3 years ago
Derek..
'I don't know about you Roobot, but i prefer to have an equal at my side and not someone who doesn't know me drooling over my nut sack. Acting like that can only lead to failure.'
You're right, you don't know about me.. so please don't presume you do.
Much of your reply made little sense to be honest, and I'm not quite sure where to begin.
So I won't, begin.
I will say that you seem to be confusing good old fashioned romance with, well, I'm not sure what.
What you're saying is the great romantic poets of the age were nothing more than stalkers wanting to get laid?
That's really rather sad mister.
Jens
· 3 years ago
"I just rung this dude and his mobile number is legit…. He answered and I told him I was a publisher and I wanted him to narrate a book titled “how to vomit 101″. He said email him the details. I love this guy…." [Dave Chapman]
Well, that's what I call a stalker.
Sentient
· 3 years ago
Too bad the poor fellow hasn't yet realized the all-important fact that girls don't want a sensitive man who cares about their feelings. To all of you girls who are now immediately getting the sudden urge to say I'm full of shit; untangle your panties and calm down. As much as you think otherwise, It's not a matter of opinion, but that of evolutionary biology. The unfortunate fact of the matter (and just about every other social matter) is this:
The less you need others, the more they will be attracted to you.
Karin
· 3 years ago
Can I have a copy of the original e-mail with headers?
RooBot
· 3 years ago
Sentient..
'The less you need others, the more they will be attracted to you.'
How true, and it works both ways.
Thankfully my super-fiancee and I worked that out many moons ago :).
Everton Blair
· 3 years ago
Sorry I've been so busy this week I haven't been checking the site so I missed all these comments. I'm having problems posting the full email (I think my own spam filters are stopping me because of the number of emails), so if you want an original then email me at admin@connectedinternet.co.uk.
The full email I received will be posted here once I've worked out how to beat my own spam filters!
RooBot
· 3 years ago
Everton, I appreciate this is your site and whatnot..
But how about you don't? :)
Kronocide
· 3 years ago
I don't understand how you can publish the guy's phone number and email. There is just no justification for that.
Lisa
· 3 years ago
You sad, sad people. Why don't you all go out and get life? Why is it of such interest you? You freaks.
As for her Ex, methinks the man doth protest too much. Why does it bother you so much what your ex is up to? Could it be that you're still bitter about the fact she dumped you for another fella? Perhaps you didn't 'measure' up little boy? You would be better off spending your time crying into your pillow and wetting the bed repeated night after night over her than trawling the internet looking for her. Funny how you took the time to find her on this site isn't if you truly ain't bothered? I hope you ain't got another girlfriend at the moment, cos if I was her I'd dump you straight off than stay with a boyfriend so obviously cut up about his ex dumping him that he feels the need to post comments about her on random websites. Come back when your balls have dropped little boy and then people might listen to your whining.
allan
· 3 years ago
wow can this guy poor on the sap anymore. If i were to send this message to a woman i would be slapped with a restraining order or if she did end up meeting me i would hope it would just be to kick me where my balls used to be... the message was more heartwarmingly sick than an episode of full house. Im going to go purge my dinner now that i feel so sick
Maurice
· 3 years ago
Or Kate Winsall is badly regretting that she sent the mail to her sister and consequently extremely upset with her sister that she forwarded it so it became "public", or Kate and her sister are both fake and heartless women that do not deserve any comment at all, and less a letter from a guy like Joe. I would like to believe the first and not the second.
About some of the comments on this page including the "editor's" critera of what is ethical to publish and what is not, one must not be surprised, luckily not the entire world is as rotten as these few individuals want to make it. Pathetic!
Joesappyloser
· 3 years ago
Regardless of whether we see each other again, I will use it as I do my other special memories. I will call on it when I am disheartened or low. I will hold it in my heart when I need inspiration. I will keep it with me for moments when I need to find a smile of my own.
Over here in america, it's called a "spank bank", the "special memories" of all the hot girls you've seen, for when you're alone with your hand and a bottle of jergens. ;)
Joesappyloser
· 3 years ago
but over here in America, we'd never actually write a letter to a girl telling her we've placed her in our spank bank.
I think any girl would be grossed out and disgusted by that information. Best to keep it to yourself.
Ella
· 3 years ago
his email as incredibly manipulative, and it is really rude to send something like this to a person you have just met. It's like people who say "I love you" on a first date. No, you don't. The familiarity is completely uncalled for.
by going so much over the top it tells you
1) he is living in his head 2) he will not accept no for an answer, and is placing her in a position where she will feel like the guilty party if she refuses, or doesn't like him 3) he probably just wants to get in her pants
this guy is creepy, and while it was well written, I think he deserves what he gets. If he had tact and consideration for her feelings, he really would have "just stopped there."
matt
· 3 years ago
That ain't nice at all. What a bitch whore for behaving in such a fashion. I hope the slapper never gets a date again.
Dollarman
· 3 years ago
I am one for being confidently direct (but not too much). For one, that's how I like to be approached and two, mainly because you don't get drawn into the sometimes long process of working out whether this person is into you or not while at the same time being polite. The round about way is just another extension of mind games which I think should be only used for sales techniques.
I find when you don't beat about the bush it is (mostly) appreciated.
Dollarman
· 3 years ago
Everton, I quote: "I think his ‘rap’ is bit too sloppy but judging by the reaction he’s getting and by the fact that some girls are calling and asking him out (his mobile number is in the email) maybe I should start using his style!"
Unless there are photos that come with those phone calls of proposals I'd steer well clear.
Ben
· 3 years ago
I honestly think the guy has got balls of steel to open his heart like that to a girl, what on earth is wrong with that???? Boo Hiss Nay to the heartless bitch who decided it would be funny to publish it and embarrass this guy who has just payed her the biggest compliment of her life, makes me sad to think that even so called intelligent women can be so cold...
I hope she dies a lonely old spinster, that is all she deserves
Ben
· 3 years ago
On the same note, I personally would have stopped right where he said he should of, the guy got balls, but no sense at all!
NLP Master
· 2 years ago
Sometimes it helps when you just approach and say "You make me nervous, but I just had to say hi."
Sincerity helps. Lots!
Common Sense
· 2 years ago
Is this a man or a wuss? I vote wuss.
He doesn't know her... He is practically telling her that he is obsessed with her... He clearly scared her... Not to mention he was spouting poetry and that is a sign of desperation to any young lady.
I'm not trying to rag on this guy too much because we've all been there at some point. Every guy has screwed himself over with a girl but the smart ones learn from their mistakes. For those of you who DON'T think he made a mistake, the only thing I have to do to destroy all your arguements is to point out the reaction of the girl who recieved this email.
So what should he have done?
He should have shown her enough respect not to use an email to try and get a date and confess his obsession. Email is good for getting someone's number or to get them to call you. Use the phone to schedule a date. I don't think that admitting you are obsessed with someone is ever the best way to build a relationship (at least not a healthy one) but if you are going to do it, at least have the balls to do it face to face.
It really does seem like the guy is "nice" and has a good heart. Unfortunately, he is also coming across as desperate and insecure. Not a good combo.
Everton
· 2 years ago
Sometimes it helps when you just approach and say “You make me nervous, but I just had to say hi.â€
Strange but true. This happened to me once. I was in a club and I walked past this girl who was so beautiful I nearly fell over. I went back and said 'I couldn't walk past someone as beautiful as you and not at least say hello' She must have known I was being genuine, particularly as I nearly fell over in front of her, so when I turned to walk away, she took me by the hand and asked me to stay...
Ella
· 2 years ago
Jesus, with all the people here calling the woman a "bitch" for rejecting an email like this, is there any wonder they posted it? This is exactly why sending someone this kind of email is controlling. While it appears old-fashioned and sweet on the surface, when you consider that the guy barely knows the woman, that she has NO obligation to say yes to him, it's clearly just putting her in a bad situation.
Men who do this deserve to be mocked and ridiculed. It is not possible to be in love with a person you have just met. It is possible to be interested in them and find them attractive, yes. But love takes time, it requires actually knowing the person well, and understanding who they are. Anyone who claims to love you this much is either a)just trying to get in your pants or b)not in touch with reality. This isn't cynicism, it's the truth. It's important that someone be in love with YOU, and not the IDEA of you.
In the 1800's women were placed on a pedestal and "love," IMO, was usually more an expression of interest in finding a suitable mate, as well as an obsession over the abstract idea of love for the woman. Quite frankly I think it is much better now, when people are less likely to fool themselves and see the woman as a full person--actually focusing on the woman herself.
This guy is not being honest with her or with himself. He's a creep. And I DON'T think he has a good heart.
NLP Master
· 2 years ago
Yes Everton, sometimes, simply admitting your vulnerabilities disarms them. It's the ultimate charm!
It's worked for me even with the mythical HB10s that the PUA community likes to idolize
All Comments
Can I have look at the original email, with headers?
Thanks
Paul
Love comes from sincerity and trust. I believe the girl is heartless and doesnt respect or care for other. I feel she is laughing on these sincere words. I like the guy and hope all of you understand him. Give him an encouragement to move on.
Good luck Joe!!
Julie
Peace!
T
Helena
Who's going to get loads of date offers now? Kate? Oh, I don't think so. She and her clique of girlfriends are every decent man's nightmare. Joe, however, is already getting proposals from women who appreciate a man who dares to reveal his innermost thoughts. All women love that; it's just that they know they can have these men any time they want, and so instead go for the complete asshole bad boy who without exception will treat them like shit. After all that fun is over, all they want is a kind and caring husband, but by then they are all taken by kind a caring women.
Good Luck Joe,
and good luck to you too, Kate, because you're really going to need it.
But life is a balance, what you throw out will sooner or later come back to you.
Also, contributing by posting his phone number, email etc is bad... you are helping out destroying a man that probably did not have any bad intentions. One can only hope that the same thing would happen to all of you...
But having seen what kind of person he's dealing with, I hope Joe's feelings are of relief, rather than rejection.
Good luck mate. And don't go changing!
/Anna
Thanx
Mattias
Someone link up the articles on this guy, could be an interesting read.
Maybe that's how he shows he cares.
Maybe he's shy.
Maybe he jumped at the chance.
Maybe he did it to make her smile.
At least he tried, there's nothing wrong with wanting to make another person feel good about themselves, which me thinks is all he way trying to do.
Perhaps you've never felt that way about someone?
Perhaps you have, don't knock someone else for trying to be sweet though, no matter how misguided you find it.
If he's a stalker so were all the eighteenth century writers/poets who now make up our curriculum etc, etc etc.
If there's one thing I can't stand it's people who utterly fail to see that sometimes, just sometimes people mean well, and only want to bring a smile to another persons face.
Yep.
Look.. the guy doesn't know her at all. If a guy is acting like that when he doesn't know her it is suspicious. A woman usually likes to know someone before they have someone say they love them. Most likely the guy fails with women because he is too anxious.
And as for the 18th century writers you speak of... It's a significantly different time period than it was then. Women were not treated as equals and were pretty much property.
I don't know about you Roobot, but i prefer to have an equal at my side and not someone who doesn't know me drooling over my nut sack. Acting like that can only lead to failure.
"Look.. This guy is sounding like a stalker, plain and simple. When guys act like this it scares women. He just met the girl and he already is planning their wedding and naming their babies."
No he isn't. He is saying that he really likes her smile, and he even says that he knows he is being a bit forward. Stalker? Get a grip. How sad is the world when sincerity and honesty gets this kind of reward? Glad to see that not everyone is joining the mock-fest.
'I don't know about you Roobot, but i prefer to have an equal at my side and not someone who doesn't know me drooling over my nut sack. Acting like that can only lead to failure.'
You're right, you don't know about me.. so please don't presume you do.
Much of your reply made little sense to be honest, and I'm not quite sure where to begin.
So I won't, begin.
I will say that you seem to be confusing good old fashioned romance with, well, I'm not sure what.
What you're saying is the great romantic poets of the age were nothing more than stalkers wanting to get laid?
That's really rather sad mister.
Well, that's what I call a stalker.
The less you need others, the more they will be attracted to you.
'The less you need others, the more they will be attracted to you.'
How true, and it works both ways.
Thankfully my super-fiancee and I worked that out many moons ago :).
The full email I received will be posted here once I've worked out how to beat my own spam filters!
But how about you don't? :)
As for her Ex, methinks the man doth protest too much. Why does it bother you so much what your ex is up to? Could it be that you're still bitter about the fact she dumped you for another fella? Perhaps you didn't 'measure' up little boy? You would be better off spending your time crying into your pillow and wetting the bed repeated night after night over her than trawling the internet looking for her. Funny how you took the time to find her on this site isn't if you truly ain't bothered? I hope you ain't got another girlfriend at the moment, cos if I was her I'd dump you straight off than stay with a boyfriend so obviously cut up about his ex dumping him that he feels the need to post comments about her on random websites. Come back when your balls have dropped little boy and then people might listen to your whining.
About some of the comments on this page including the "editor's" critera of what is ethical to publish and what is not, one must not be surprised, luckily not the entire world is as rotten as these few individuals want to make it. Pathetic!
Over here in america, it's called a "spank bank", the "special memories" of all the hot girls you've seen, for when you're alone with your hand and a bottle of jergens. ;)
I think any girl would be grossed out and disgusted by that information. Best to keep it to yourself.
by going so much over the top it tells you
1) he is living in his head
2) he will not accept no for an answer, and is placing her in a position where she will feel like the guilty party if she refuses, or doesn't like him
3) he probably just wants to get in her pants
this guy is creepy, and while it was well written, I think he deserves what he gets. If he had tact and consideration for her feelings, he really would have "just stopped there."
I find when you don't beat about the bush it is (mostly) appreciated.
Unless there are photos that come with those phone calls of proposals I'd steer well clear.
Boo Hiss Nay to the heartless bitch who decided it would be funny to publish it and embarrass this guy who has just payed her the biggest compliment of her life, makes me sad to think that even so called intelligent women can be so cold...
I hope she dies a lonely old spinster, that is all she deserves
Sincerity helps. Lots!
He doesn't know her... He is practically telling her that he is obsessed with her... He clearly scared her... Not to mention he was spouting poetry and that is a sign of desperation to any young lady.
I'm not trying to rag on this guy too much because we've all been there at some point. Every guy has screwed himself over with a girl but the smart ones learn from their mistakes. For those of you who DON'T think he made a mistake, the only thing I have to do to destroy all your arguements is to point out the reaction of the girl who recieved this email.
So what should he have done?
He should have shown her enough respect not to use an email to try and get a date and confess his obsession. Email is good for getting someone's number or to get them to call you. Use the phone to schedule a date. I don't think that admitting you are obsessed with someone is ever the best way to build a relationship (at least not a healthy one) but if you are going to do it, at least have the balls to do it face to face.
It really does seem like the guy is "nice" and has a good heart. Unfortunately, he is also coming across as desperate and insecure. Not a good combo.
Strange but true. This happened to me once. I was in a club and I walked past this girl who was so beautiful I nearly fell over. I went back and said 'I couldn't walk past someone as beautiful as you and not at least say hello' She must have known I was being genuine, particularly as I nearly fell over in front of her, so when I turned to walk away, she took me by the hand and asked me to stay...
Men who do this deserve to be mocked and ridiculed. It is not possible to be in love with a person you have just met. It is possible to be interested in them and find them attractive, yes. But love takes time, it requires actually knowing the person well, and understanding who they are. Anyone who claims to love you this much is either a)just trying to get in your pants or b)not in touch with reality. This isn't cynicism, it's the truth. It's important that someone be in love with YOU, and not the IDEA of you.
In the 1800's women were placed on a pedestal and "love," IMO, was usually more an expression of interest in finding a suitable mate, as well as an obsession over the abstract idea of love for the woman. Quite frankly I think it is much better now, when people are less likely to fool themselves and see the woman as a full person--actually focusing on the woman herself.
This guy is not being honest with her or with himself. He's a creep. And I DON'T think he has a good heart.
It's worked for me even with the mythical HB10s that the PUA community likes to idolize